I 16 månader var han Hamas fånge i Gaza. Han förlorade sin bror, sin fru och sina två döttrar. Hur överlever man i helvetet, och går det att återvända till livet efteråt? Och hur ser han på att det finns människor i Sverige som faktiskt firade att hans familj blev mördad? Peter Wennblad möter Eli Sharabi, som kidnappades från sitt hem i Israel den 7 oktober 2023.
1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,119 Det är tisdagen den 2 juni, jag heter Peter Wendlad och du lyssnar på Leda-redaktionen, en podd från Svenska Dagbladet.
2 00:00:18,140 --> 00:00:19,340 Varmt välkomna hit.
3 00:00:20,620 --> 00:00:28,620 Idag så har jag en väldigt speciell gäst i studion och ett samtal som jag tror kan bli ganska känslosamt.
4 00:00:29,260 --> 00:00:38,400 Vår gäst har kommit hit från Israel, så från och med nu så kommer jag gå över till att prata engelska efter bästa förmåga.
5 00:00:39,220 --> 00:00:53,760 Eli Sharabi, min gäst, har levt genom något som de flesta inte kan föreställa sig, och även fler kan förstå hur man kan gå igenom det med villan att leva och glädjen att leva i takt.
6 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:58,180 I sina egna ord har han återkommit till världen från helvete.
7 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:06,120 Den 7 oktober 2023 var Eli skyddad från sitt hem i Kibbutz Beri.
8 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,180 För 491 dagar.
9 00:01:09,220 --> 00:01:16,120 Han var skämd och skadad i Gaza, spenderade de flesta av tiden i Hamas undergrunden tunneler.
10 00:01:16,820 --> 00:01:20,960 Han blev torsad, skadad och humilierad.
11 00:01:21,460 --> 00:01:26,840 Varje dag var en enda lång för sin familj och en känsla för att överleva och hålla sin sanitet.
12 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,880 För ett år sedan blev han utlösad och förbättrad till att åka hem till Israel.
13 00:01:33,660 --> 00:01:39,180 Där var han mött med nyheter om att hans kvinna och två ungdomar, som han hade långt för,
14 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:45,360 så djupt blivit mörda av Hamas-terrorister, på samma dag som han blivit utlösad till Gaza.
15 00:01:46,140 --> 00:01:48,700 En av hans bror blev också död.
16 00:01:50,220 --> 00:01:56,380 Nu är han i Sverige och pratar om sin bok om den här tiden i skuld.
17 00:01:56,620 --> 00:01:57,400 Hostage.
18 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:02,260 Den var nyligen publiserad i en svensk förslag.
19 00:02:03,020 --> 00:02:05,580 Det är en stor ämne att ha dig här, Eli.
20 00:02:06,100 --> 00:02:07,380 Välkommen.
21 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,660 Tack så mycket.
22 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:09,419 God morgon.
23 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,199 God morgon.
24 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,820 I was not planning to go into detail about
25 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,420 what you and your family went through on October 7.
26 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,000 About the anguish hours in the safe room in your house.
27 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:26,580 About how messages poured in from neighbors and friends
28 00:02:27,100 --> 00:02:29,140 saying that terrorists had entered your area.
29 00:02:29,660 --> 00:02:33,500 About when the terrorists entered your house and how you were taken away
30 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:36,300 to Gaza and forced to leave your family behind.
31 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,360 It's so well described in the book.
32 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:42,760 Which I hope all the listeners will read.
33 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:45,580 I would like to start the day before.
34 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:47,620 October 6.
35 00:02:48,380 --> 00:02:50,180 What was your life like?
36 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,480 Wow.
37 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:59,140 We had a very peaceful family life in Kibbutz Berri, our piece of heaven.
38 00:03:01,700 --> 00:03:07,080 Our daughters were very, very happy girls living in the kibbutz.
39 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:08,360 Lots of friends.
40 00:03:08,660 --> 00:03:10,200 Lots of activities for them.
41 00:03:12,500 --> 00:03:14,040 Leanne and I just
42 00:03:14,540 --> 00:03:17,360 been very busy in our work as well.
43 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,440 And happy with what we did.
44 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:23,260 So
45 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,320 lots of friends, great community.
46 00:03:26,580 --> 00:03:28,620 Very supportive community.
47 00:03:29,140 --> 00:03:30,420 And
48 00:03:30,940 --> 00:03:32,980 I wouldn't do things differently.
49 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,560 How did you spend your last day as a family?
50 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:38,620 Actually I've been
51 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,980 It was a barbecue in my garden with my friends.
52 00:03:42,500 --> 00:03:43,520 Fifteen friends.
53 00:03:43,780 --> 00:03:47,360 Usually we meet together once a month.
54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,900 Having a barbecue.
55 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,740 Having some conversations about things in the kibbutz.
56 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:58,120 And I was very happy. Among them was my brother, Yossi.
57 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,520 That was kidnapped as well on October 7 and murdered 100 days later.
58 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:06,300 In captivity.
59 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,160 So, and after that we had just
60 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,780 an evening. We had dinner as a family.
61 00:04:16,540 --> 00:04:18,339 Everything was normal.
62 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:21,399 It was a holiday in Israel.
63 00:04:21,660 --> 00:04:22,940 And
64 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:27,040 we didn't expect anything to happen on October 7.
65 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,660 Berri is close to Gaza?
66 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:33,940 Yes, three miles.
67 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,740 You were used to
68 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:37,020 rocket attacks.
69 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:39,580 And during the years you lived there.
70 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,400 There were several wars in Gaza.
71 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,500 Could you ever have imagined that something like
72 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:48,020 October 7 could happen?
73 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,820 No, we couldn't.
74 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,940 As you mentioned, we suffered for 20 years. We suffered
75 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,740 missiles from Gaza
76 00:04:56,980 --> 00:04:59,540 to Berri and all the south of Israel.
77 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:03,900 Every six months, every year, depending on the period.
78 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,440 And
79 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:10,860 we didn't expect any of what happened on October 7.
80 00:05:11,380 --> 00:05:12,400 That
81 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:15,460 thousands of
82 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 terrorists, Hamas terrorists, would invade
83 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:22,120 Israel, our kibbutz, and our house.
84 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:27,240 But did you feel,
85 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,340 I know you have in the beginning, you were angry
86 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:33,900 that you weren't protected?
87 00:05:34,420 --> 00:05:35,440 I was disappointed.
88 00:05:35,740 --> 00:05:39,580 I was very disappointed from the IDF, of course.
89 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:42,400 How come that, you know,
90 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:45,720 thousands of Hamas terrorists
91 00:05:45,980 --> 00:05:49,820 succeed to pass the border without
92 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,680 the intelligence, the Israeli intelligence, couldn't know that.
93 00:05:55,200 --> 00:06:00,580 Yeah, so all days in captivity, I thought about it and
94 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,420 something like that can happen to Israel.
95 00:06:05,740 --> 00:06:11,620 And, you know, but since then I just heard what the IDF soldiers did
96 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:14,440 in many, you know, battles
97 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:16,240 area in
98 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:17,780 Gaza with Hamas,
99 00:06:18,020 --> 00:06:20,580 in Lebanon with Hezbollah,
100 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:21,860 with Iran,
101 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,400 with the Houthi Amman,
102 00:06:23,660 --> 00:06:24,940 and
103 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:28,520 I'm really, really proud of the Israeli soldiers.
104 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:30,320 And
105 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,100 that's it.
106 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,360 Lannebo hjälper dig att ta kontroll över din framtid.
107 00:06:37,660 --> 00:06:40,220 Låt dina pengar växa i din takt
108 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,520 på ett sätt som gör morgondagen ljusare.
109 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,880 Lannebos erfarna kapital- och relationsförvaltare står redo att guida dig,
110 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,440 men kom ihåg att investeringar innebär en risk.
111 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Upptäck hela vårt fondutbud på landebo.se.
112 00:06:55,060 --> 00:06:58,140 Let's return to the 6th of October.
113 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,460 Or actually, when the terrorists enter your house.
114 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,000 In the book there's one
115 00:07:03,260 --> 00:07:04,800 haunting detail.
116 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,360 When the terrorists get in your house,
117 00:07:07,660 --> 00:07:10,220 you get out of the safe room.
118 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Your living room is filled with balloons.
119 00:07:14,820 --> 00:07:18,160 Yes, our daughter's birthday
120 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,460 is October 1st and October 3rd.
121 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,240 And all week
122 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,320 it was balloons in the house, her friends,
123 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 cakes and parties.
124 00:07:28,900 --> 00:07:34,540 It was Noyan Jahans birthday and they were very, very happy among the friends.
125 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,320 And yes,
126 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:37,360 when the
127 00:07:37,660 --> 00:07:38,680 10 terrorists
128 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:40,220 invaded our house,
129 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,260 it was balloon in the living room.
130 00:07:44,060 --> 00:07:46,880 Surreal situation.
131 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,680 The fears of
132 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,760 the eyes of my daughters was
133 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,300 shocking.
134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,580 And
135 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:57,620 Leanne didn't know what
136 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,420 the next action to do.
137 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,440 And
138 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,260 I tried to calm them down.
139 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,820 I was sure our plan that
140 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:06,840 you know
141 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:08,880 to say to the terrorists that they have
142 00:08:09,140 --> 00:08:10,680 British passport will work.
143 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:12,980 Unfortunately,
144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,560 this terrorist didn't have any boundaries.
145 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,880 They didn't care about anything.
146 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,660 They just wanted to kill.
147 00:08:24,470 --> 00:08:25,750 At the moment,
148 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:28,570 even when you're taken out of your house,
149 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:30,110 taken to the
150 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:34,450 car that the terrorists have stolen from your kibbutz,
151 00:08:35,730 --> 00:08:36,770 you write that
152 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:39,590 immediately you went
153 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:40,350 from
154 00:08:41,630 --> 00:08:42,409 the Ili you
155 00:08:42,650 --> 00:08:43,429 were to
156 00:08:43,690 --> 00:08:44,710 Ili, the survivor.
157 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:46,250 What do you mean?
158 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:51,370 As I mentioned before, we had a plan
159 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:55,450 for Leanne Noyan Jahans to be protected
160 00:08:55,710 --> 00:08:57,250 from their British passports.
161 00:08:57,510 --> 00:09:01,090 And we assumed that I would be kidnapped because I don't have a British passport.
162 00:09:01,850 --> 00:09:05,690 And so I was prepared to be kidnapped at the same day
163 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:08,050 and
164 00:09:08,310 --> 00:09:10,610 when they dragged me out of my house
165 00:09:11,130 --> 00:09:12,410 towards the fence
166 00:09:12,650 --> 00:09:14,450 and into the car.
167 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:16,250 I was very focused.
168 00:09:16,750 --> 00:09:18,550 I could understand
169 00:09:19,050 --> 00:09:19,570 what I'm
170 00:09:19,830 --> 00:09:22,390 seeing. I was in shock or something like that.
171 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:24,170 I didn't feel...
172 00:09:24,430 --> 00:09:25,210 How could you not be?
173 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:26,490 Because
174 00:09:26,730 --> 00:09:28,530 again, I was very focused for
175 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:30,330 me surviving
176 00:09:30,830 --> 00:09:31,850 and what I need to do.
177 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:33,390 And
178 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:36,730 I didn't feel any of the violence against me.
179 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:39,330 They kicked me, they hit me, and
180 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:41,630 I didn't feel anything about it from that.
181 00:09:42,410 --> 00:09:46,250 And I start to count minutes in the car from Bari
182 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:48,550 towards Gaza to understand
183 00:09:48,810 --> 00:09:50,090 how far I'm from home.
184 00:09:50,850 --> 00:09:53,670 And it was something like
185 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:55,710 half an hour, very slow drive.
186 00:09:56,490 --> 00:09:58,790 So I understood that I'm not
187 00:09:59,050 --> 00:10:00,570 that far from home.
188 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:05,860 During the first weeks
189 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:08,160 in Gaza, you were held captive
190 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:09,220 in a house
191 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:12,040 by a family, if I'm right.
192 00:10:12,300 --> 00:10:12,820 Yes.
193 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:16,140 But in November, in the end of November
194 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:17,680 2023,
195 00:10:17,940 --> 00:10:18,440 Yes.
196 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:19,220 You were
197 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:20,240 moved on
198 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:21,000 and
199 00:10:21,260 --> 00:10:22,020 down
200 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,060 into
201 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:25,100 Hamas tunnel system.
202 00:10:26,380 --> 00:10:26,900 You
203 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 described this as your worst nightmare.
204 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:31,240 Of course.
205 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,080 What did you know? Why was it?
206 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:37,140 You had some
207 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:38,160 some...
208 00:10:38,460 --> 00:10:40,000 You had some knowledge about this before hand.
209 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:43,840 Every Israeli could see before that
210 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:45,120 Hamas tunnels.
211 00:10:45,380 --> 00:10:47,940 It was enough videos
212 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:49,220 on television
213 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,740 from, you know,
214 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,020 some years before.
215 00:10:52,540 --> 00:10:55,100 So we understood how it looked like.
216 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:57,920 And, you know,
217 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:03,300 everybody, even if you wouldn't see any video of that before
218 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:04,820 you understand
219 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,100 that to go
220 00:11:06,620 --> 00:11:08,160 50 meters underground
221 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:10,260 it's not a big fun.
222 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,040 And
223 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,600 it's, you know, it was very
224 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,160 it wasn't easy to breathe
225 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:18,180 properly
226 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,000 especially from the stress.
227 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:23,060 It's all dark
228 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,080 around you.
229 00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:27,400 It's only the flashes from the
230 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,680 torches
231 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:30,220 of the
232 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,020 of the terrorist
233 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,540 was a bit light.
234 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,360 And so
235 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:37,900 for me
236 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:39,940 to climb down in these ladders
237 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,540 was my worst nightmare.
238 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:44,820 It looked like the perfect grave.
239 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,420 It's literally climbed down to hell.
240 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:50,180 Yes.
241 00:11:51,460 --> 00:11:52,500 Life in the tunnels.
242 00:11:53,780 --> 00:11:54,540 Take us there.
243 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,080 What was it like?
244 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:58,900 Who were you with?
245 00:11:59,140 --> 00:12:00,420 How did you live?
246 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,480 In the beginning it was some like
247 00:12:02,740 --> 00:12:05,800 eight, seven or eight terrorists with us in the beginning.
248 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:13,020 We've been a group of seven me and another six Israeli hostages
249 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:17,380 that was kidnapped from the NOVA festival.
250 00:12:18,140 --> 00:12:18,900 All of them
251 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,700 were young, half of my age.
252 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:26,840 Unfortunately three of them were murdered 10 months later in another tunnel.
253 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,420 We had, you know,
254 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,500 we ate in the beginning two meals a day.
255 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:37,600 A meal, it's not like something that you imagine.
256 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:40,200 It's only a bowl of pasta or a bowl of rice.
257 00:12:40,460 --> 00:12:41,220 This is a meal.
258 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,100 But it was two of that in the beginning.
259 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:49,680 And the hygienic condition was very poor.
260 00:12:49,940 --> 00:12:51,460 No soap, no toothpaste.
261 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,560 Get a shower every six weeks
262 00:12:55,820 --> 00:12:57,620 with a half bucket of cold water.
263 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,760 Lots of humiliations, psychological terror every day
264 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:07,860 that all the Israelis forgot about us and we are going to stay there for 20 years.
265 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,740 And they are going to kill us one day and things like that.
266 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:19,940 From time to time, of course we were chained on our legs 24-7 with iron chain, with locks.
267 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,260 Sometimes we were chained to each other, leg to leg.
268 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:30,180 And this is our life, you know, and
269 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:33,500 violence from time to time. One time they broke my ribs.
270 00:13:37,570 --> 00:13:38,330 Were you afraid?
271 00:13:39,410 --> 00:13:44,530 Yes, but you cannot deal with that because you cannot live in fear
272 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:47,090 24 hours a day.
273 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:50,410 You're trying to avoid from these thoughts.
274 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:55,790 But the worst thing of course was the starvation
275 00:13:56,310 --> 00:14:01,430 that became very extreme in the last 6-7 months
276 00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:03,470 since July 24.
277 00:14:03,730 --> 00:14:06,550 They reduced our meals to one meal a day.
278 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:08,850 And
279 00:14:09,150 --> 00:14:12,470 you know, I was more than 70 kilos on October 7
280 00:14:12,730 --> 00:14:13,750 and I was released
281 00:14:14,010 --> 00:14:15,550 40-40 kilos.
282 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:18,630 You write a lot about that.
283 00:14:19,390 --> 00:14:23,230 The last couple of months when you're starving, the whole group is starving.
284 00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:25,030 What does
285 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:27,590 constant hunger
286 00:14:28,610 --> 00:14:31,170 make to a man?
287 00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:35,770 And what does it do to a group trying to survive together?
288 00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:38,330 You see
289 00:14:39,150 --> 00:14:45,030 your friend, because we don't have any mirror, so you don't see yourself, but you see your friends
290 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:46,310 shrinking.
291 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:47,850 And
292 00:14:48,110 --> 00:14:51,950 our physical condition were very poor and
293 00:14:52,210 --> 00:14:53,750 changed drastically
294 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:57,070 in the last six months. We start to faint
295 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:59,890 almost every two or three days.
296 00:15:00,390 --> 00:15:04,750 Holding in the walls not to fall down when we went to the toilet.
297 00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:08,850 And just you know,
298 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:13,510 every crumb that was on the carpet from the one meal a day,
299 00:15:14,010 --> 00:15:18,870 we start to pick up and so that's what's going to save us.
300 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:22,970 To divide the food for four,
301 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:28,610 you count every pasta, every rice.
302 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:30,650 And
303 00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:32,450 it's not easy.
304 00:15:32,950 --> 00:15:34,230 It's
305 00:15:35,510 --> 00:15:37,830 you think you're going to die in every minute.
306 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:38,850 And
307 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:46,010 I believe that another month or two, if we wouldn't be released on February 25,
308 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:48,330 we probably wouldn't talk now.
309 00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:49,850 How do you
310 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:52,930 keep together when
311 00:15:53,690 --> 00:15:54,730 you're four people?
312 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:57,790 You're all struggling for your own life.
313 00:15:58,050 --> 00:16:03,690 So you're trying to avoid every thought, every negative thought you can think of.
314 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:07,010 You're trying not to think about food.
315 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:08,810 Of course you think you're very hungry.
316 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:14,230 You try to speak about good things, about family and friends.
317 00:16:14,490 --> 00:16:18,330 And travel you did in the world and
318 00:16:18,570 --> 00:16:20,630 sharing your experience from that.
319 00:16:21,130 --> 00:16:22,410 And
320 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:26,010 you're talking about everything that
321 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:28,810 can take you to the other world
322 00:16:29,330 --> 00:16:30,870 and not to think where you've been
323 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:34,190 and how filthy you are and
324 00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:38,030 how difficult it is for you to sleep
325 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:40,850 or your nightmares you have there.
326 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:42,130 And of course the hunger
327 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:45,970 and violence against us and humiliation.
328 00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:47,750 You have a zero ego.
329 00:16:48,270 --> 00:16:49,810 But you find
330 00:16:50,830 --> 00:16:54,930 good things between you and make the group stronger.
331 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:57,990 We prayed every morning
332 00:16:58,510 --> 00:17:00,050 and we are not religious.
333 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:01,330 But we did it.
334 00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:07,470 You know, you do everything you can.
335 00:17:08,030 --> 00:17:12,630 That you can pass this hell, really.
336 00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:18,270 When I read your book it's like you're trying to
337 00:17:19,030 --> 00:17:22,109 arrange
338 00:17:22,369 --> 00:17:25,430 of some kind of normal life in hell.
339 00:17:25,690 --> 00:17:29,270 You have to. Otherwise, you'd be insane, you know.
340 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:33,290 You're trying to keep your sanity in every way you can.
341 00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:36,950 Again
342 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:43,850 You're trying to persuade the captors to let you shower more times.
343 00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:47,550 You're trying to get some soap or toothpaste.
344 00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:52,370 Of course you beg for food 24-7.
345 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:57,330 You do everything you can to improve your situation.
346 00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:03,950 To keep your humanity, to think, to talk about your family.
347 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:07,610 You do everything you can to stay sane.
348 00:18:08,030 --> 00:18:09,370 Mind-traveling.
349 00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:12,170 Yes, of course.
350 00:18:14,530 --> 00:18:23,870 You write and you have also spoken a lot about afterward that you did not only want to survive.
351 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,030 You chose to survive.
352 00:18:26,530 --> 00:18:27,430 You chose life.
353 00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:29,810 And you choose life.
354 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:31,850 Tell us about that.
355 00:18:31,850 --> 00:18:33,850 What does...
356 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:34,310 What does that mean?
357 00:18:35,530 --> 00:18:39,250 Well, my basic instinct is to live.
358 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:40,650 I love life.
359 00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:42,850 I appreciate life.
360 00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:48,610 I promised my daughters on October 7 when they drag me out of the house, I'll be back for them.
361 00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:52,910 I tried to do everything to make this promise.
362 00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:57,950 And I came back and it wasn't...
363 00:18:57,950 --> 00:19:03,930 I had no doubts that if it's up to me, I will do anything.
364 00:19:04,330 --> 00:19:05,150 To survive.
365 00:19:07,550 --> 00:19:15,370 And they actually need to kill me, you know, in their own hands for me not to come back to my family.
366 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:24,570 And you need to stay patient and, you know, understand how this work.
367 00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:29,030 It's not pizza that you put in the oven for 15 minutes.
368 00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:30,030 It's not that easy.
369 00:19:30,410 --> 00:19:31,850 It's very complicated.
370 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:33,410 To.
371 00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:34,490 To release us.
372 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:37,250 We understood that we talked about it.
373 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:52,090 So we chose life there and we chose life after we, you know, we were released and each one of us went to his own tragedy.
374 00:19:54,790 --> 00:19:57,810 Some people lost their wives, some people lost their kids.
375 00:19:59,710 --> 00:20:01,790 But we still have.
376 00:20:02,290 --> 00:20:03,250 I still have.
377 00:20:03,410 --> 00:20:10,830 I still have amazing family that supports me, amazing friends, and I'm trying to rebuild my life.
378 00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:17,170 Because it was the thought of your family that kept you going.
379 00:20:17,770 --> 00:20:22,090 It was the reason to choose life in captivity.
380 00:20:23,230 --> 00:20:28,070 Then when you were freed, you found out that they were dead, murdered.
381 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:28,290 Yeah.
382 00:20:29,550 --> 00:20:31,070 How do you.
383 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:38,730 Choose life when such a fundamental part of what was your life is gone.
384 00:20:40,550 --> 00:20:56,490 I'm a very practical person and it wasn't even one day in that 491 days in captivity that I didn't think that my wife and my daughters didn't survive October 7.
385 00:20:56,610 --> 00:20:57,810 It was one of the options.
386 00:20:59,330 --> 00:21:02,050 So when I was released and I was.
387 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:11,810 That they didn't survive that and they were brutally murdered by Hamas terrorists, you know, it was shock for me.
388 00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:15,550 It was very painful until now.
389 00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:24,610 And but again, it's it's something that didn't find me not prepare and and I just wanted to hug the rest of my family, my mother, my brothers and sisters.
390 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:28,470 And and I just wanted to hug the rest of my family, my mother, my brothers and sisters.
391 00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:32,330 And and I just wanted to hug the rest of my family, my mother, my brothers and sisters.
392 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:41,830 And we want to be together because we know that we support each other and this is our friends as a family.
393 00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:59,830 And, you know, I think the best I can to honor the memory of my wife and my daughters is to live and to rebuild my life and to be happy.
394 00:21:59,830 --> 00:22:03,180 In the end of the book, you.
395 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:14,700 There's a sentence you you write that you have you have been at the bottom, you have you have seen it, you have touched it.
396 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:16,700 How does it look?
397 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,540 So it's of course, it's double meaning.
398 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,620 I was 50 meters underground.
399 00:22:23,620 --> 00:22:29,960 I was in the bottom of the of the ground in a very, very bad situation.
400 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:32,380 And of course.
401 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:44,780 For me, I released and this, you know, announced about my loss, but my wife, Leanne, my daughter is no India.
402 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:50,180 Hell. And two days, just two days before my released, I was announced about my brother.
403 00:22:50,180 --> 00:22:53,080 You'll see that was murdered as well.
404 00:22:53,260 --> 00:22:57,400 And so for me, it's another bottom.
405 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,000 And when I went to the graveyard a week after I was released.
406 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,220 I stay behind the grave.
407 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,400 I touched this graves.
408 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,200 It was a closure for me.
409 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,920 It was on the bottom of my life.
410 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,600 I haven't seen something.
411 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:14,880 That That can happen to me worse than that.
412 00:23:15,500 --> 00:23:16,860 Em and
413 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:26,380 And from there are just need to rebuild my life and, um, you know, not not to stay in this bottom.
414 00:23:26,380 --> 00:23:27,260 Wow.
415 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,180 Vattenfall.
416 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:29,380 Vet att det finns många saker att längtat i Uma, det flyttar från deras him and The Quiet Sinise at the bottom.
417 00:23:29,380 --> 00:23:30,900 Vet att det finns många saker att längtat i Uma, det flyttar från deras him and The Quiet Sinise at the bottom.
418 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:31,800 What and the cool.
419 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:36,860 Utan från lägenhet till hus. Flera rum, kanske ett större kök och en mysig uteplats.
420 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,640 Men glöm inte elavtalet.
421 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:47,680 Med ett elavtal från Vattenfall får du alltid 100% fossilfri el till luftvärmepumpen, den nya ugnen och utebelysningen.
422 00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:54,160 Och just nu får du ett presentkort värt 400 kronor på köpet när du tecknar elavtal som ny kund hos oss.
423 00:23:55,260 --> 00:23:56,880 Livet går på elektricitet.
424 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:00,660 Läs mer och ta del av smarta tips inför flytten.
425 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,240 På vattenfall.se
426 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:14,090 Mieles effektiva diskmaskiner tar skonsamt hand om även dina finaste glas och garanterar skinande ren disk.
427 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:18,450 Med den legendariska Miele-kvaliteten gör du ett säkert val.
428 00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:22,290 Dina finaste glas borde vara dina vardagsglas.
429 00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:24,710 En gång Miele, alltid Miele.
430 00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:41,430 Yes, here's Goldberg Paulin.
431 00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,790 He was an amazing, intelligent guy.
432 00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:56,590 And I met him on November 27th, the day I climbed down this ladder to the bottom of the ground.
433 00:24:57,490 --> 00:25:04,670 And after we knew each other and we told each other who we are surviving for.
434 00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:07,670 And he just said this sentence.
435 00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:10,130 You know, that is first.
436 00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:11,590 Originally it's from Nietzsche.
437 00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:15,370 And he read it in Viktor Frankl book.
438 00:25:16,450 --> 00:25:21,190 And he said, he who has a why can bear anyhow.
439 00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:31,470 And at that moment, he just gave war to my behavior for 52 days until I met him.
440 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:37,630 And for me, I didn't forget this sentence.
441 00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:47,270 And for 440 days, every day, we remind us to each other, the four hostages that stayed together.
442 00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:49,230 It was me, Elia, Oren, and Alon.
443 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:56,470 Because Hirsch, unfortunately, they transferred him.
444 00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:58,110 They moved him to other tunnel.
445 00:25:58,830 --> 00:26:00,530 And he was murdered 10 months later.
446 00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:05,530 We are thankful for this guy, for this world.
447 00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:07,430 He gave us a gift.
448 00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:10,730 For the rest of our captivity time.
449 00:26:12,030 --> 00:26:17,760 And it's something I said to his father.
450 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:23,620 And I read this, you know, of course, I wrote it in my book.
451 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,300 It was very, very significant and meaningful for me.
452 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,940 As you said, these words are from a book by Viktor Frankl.
453 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:34,400 Yes.
454 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,360 He was a Holocaust survivor from Austria.
455 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,780 When I read your book.
456 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:49,900 It reminded me of much of the survivor literature from the Holocaust.
457 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:55,740 Viktor Frankl, I have with me here Primo Levi.
458 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,820 I don't know if you read him.
459 00:26:57,940 --> 00:26:59,220 He was an Italian survivor.
460 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:08,500 Who also wrote a lot about remaining human when you live like an animal.
461 00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:08,620 Yeah.
462 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:08,660 Yeah.
463 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:09,840 Yeah.
464 00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:10,900 Did you have an.
465 00:27:12,620 --> 00:27:18,520 And I know that to remember is a sacred duty in Judaism.
466 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:21,500 You are not, you're pretty secular.
467 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:33,360 But did you have a, I can imagine that as a Israeli and you, you have a relation to the survivor literature.
468 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:34,460 Of course.
469 00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:38,480 Did you think of it when you were down there?
470 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:39,780 Definitely.
471 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:57,840 Um, for me, you know, um, I didn't come from a family, um, of generations that we are in Holocaust, but, um, every Israeli, um, child, um, in schools, um, in the army.
472 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:07,060 After that, we all remember the Holocaust and we met Holocaust survivors, uh, in our life.
473 00:28:07,660 --> 00:28:09,420 Um, in age 18.
474 00:28:09,420 --> 00:28:22,300 I was in Poland for 10 days, um, in all these concentration camps, um, and heard all the stories and heard a lot of testimonies from Holocaust survivors.
475 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,880 So it stayed with you.
476 00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:25,960 It's with you.
477 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:27,500 It's as, as Israeli.
478 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:33,500 And you'll remember, um, you'll remember it every year or day or some of us.
479 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,760 And, um, when it happened to us.
480 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:37,720 Did it help you?
481 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,200 It helped us a lot.
482 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Because we talked about it 50 meters underground between us.
483 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:51,560 If the Holocaust survivor could do it, could have done that, you know, to survive years in extreme condition, much more than us.
484 00:28:52,100 --> 00:29:05,000 And, um, and did it for years without, um, a country to, uh, defend them without any, um, um, army to, um, that can defend them as well.
485 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:07,640 And if they can do that, we can do it.
486 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,180 It's, you know, it will be.
487 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,220 Easy for us.
488 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:20,660 Um, that's what we said, uh, we cannot, um, be, you know, um, to be spoiled and, um, and complain about our situation.
489 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:26,420 If they survived, um, Holocaust in Europe for years, we can do that as well.
490 00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:34,120 You, you actually write about, uh, Sweden in one passage of the book.
491 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,360 Do you, do you remember?
492 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:35,960 No.
493 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Remind me.
494 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:40,780 Uh, you write about that.
495 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:41,200 Uh.
496 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:50,320 The Hamas terrorists, uh, the housing and captivity, they're, so they want to make some, uh, the October 7th again and again.
497 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,720 Yes.
498 00:29:50,820 --> 00:30:00,100 And when they're done with Israel and when they're done with the Jews, it's Europe, it's France, it's Germany, and you mentioned Sweden.
499 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:00,660 Okay.
500 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:01,100 Yes.
501 00:30:01,340 --> 00:30:11,480 Um, because, you know, for us, Scandinavian, um, countries, for the Israelis, usually it's, um, it's like, they never really, really understand.
502 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:25,780 Uh, what it's mean, uh, to live, um, near, um, you know, in this conflict and with people that all their aim, all their goal is to, uh, destroy you and kill you.
503 00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:31,280 And, um, so I had many conversation with them.
504 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,380 I'm speaking Arabic.
505 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,560 Um, and in every conversation with these terrorists, they repeat all the time.
506 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,640 It doesn't really matter.
507 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:41,400 Well, we could.
508 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,780 Start from football to speak or about food.
509 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:48,040 And it's always ended with these two sentences.
510 00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:55,300 Uh, we come back on 26, 27, 28 to kill all the Israelis or the Jews.
511 00:30:55,980 --> 00:31:09,500 And after we finished with the Israelis, the next thing we'll do, we come to Europe, we come to us and because the only religion should be in world Islam and all the world should be Muslims.
512 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:11,480 And that's the only thing.
513 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:12,760 This is Jihad for them.
514 00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:14,860 And this is their goal.
515 00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:23,960 What, what political conclusions have you drawn from what you were forced to experience?
516 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:41,060 Um, you know, me being, um, former hostage and having this extreme loss, uh, of my wife, my daughters, and my brother doesn't make me an expert.
517 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,460 I'm not an expert about this conflict and have all the solutions and all this.
518 00:31:46,240 --> 00:32:02,160 Um, but for you personally, again, I, I've been with them 24, seven and I could hear them and listen to them and understood how much ignorance it's, uh, they have it's about Israel and Israelis.
519 00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:06,960 And, um, I remember that one of the chapters.
520 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:10,880 In the house after something like 30 to 40 days in.
521 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,580 the palestinian family house
522 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:14,520 just being with me
523 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,080 and
524 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,080 we had you know
525 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,020 respectful relationship
526 00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,680 I respect them, they respect
527 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720 me and he said
528 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,280 to me
529 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,580 in a second that I couldn't understand
530 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:30,300 I couldn't believe he said that
531 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,600 and he said I wish
532 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,560 all the Israelis would have been
533 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,620 like you and I said to
534 00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:38,500 him you know
535 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:40,860 90% of the Israelis
536 00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:42,140 are like me
537 00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:44,380 I'm not talking about the radical
538 00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:46,560 10%, I don't care about them
539 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,140 most of the Israelis don't
540 00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:50,380 care about them, most of
541 00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:52,480 Israelis and I believe that most
542 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,000 of palestinians
543 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,440 want to wake up in the morning
544 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,040 go to work
545 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,400 come back to their families, want to go to
546 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,980 their children, to the beach
547 00:33:01,980 --> 00:33:04,600 and to the playground and just
548 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,220 have a peaceful and normal life
549 00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:07,660 and
550 00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:10,240 he looked at me and he said
551 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,540 I don't believe that
552 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:14,360 and then you understand
553 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,260 that the education
554 00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:18,340 they get in schools, in mosques
555 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:20,300 it's to hate
556 00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:21,740 most of the time
557 00:33:21,740 --> 00:33:24,540 and when they meet me 24-7
558 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:26,500 and see that I can respect them
559 00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,540 and talking with them about economics
560 00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,440 about food, about
561 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,600 politics, but respect them
562 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,620 they don't believe
563 00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:34,960 that
564 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,900 when you were freed
565 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:40,020 you
566 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320 did a lot of work
567 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,420 to get the last hostages
568 00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:44,820 free
569 00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:48,300 for example you were in the UN Security Council
570 00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:50,160 just a couple of weeks after you
571 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,340 got free
572 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,740 you
573 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,280 were pretty angry at the UN
574 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,560 at the Red Cross
575 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,580 at the world
576 00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:00,940 where were you?
577 00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:01,980 yeah
578 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:04,220 you know
579 00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:08,080 when I was released
580 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,219 all you could hear
581 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,020 about starvation
582 00:34:13,020 --> 00:34:14,540 in Gaza or something like that
583 00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:15,199 and I said
584 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,340 please just look at
585 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:19,040 in the ceremony
586 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,900 of February 8, 2025
587 00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:23,840 it's on television
588 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,960 on video, it was all filmed
589 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,320 by the Arab
590 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:29,800 networks
591 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,260 you can see me
592 00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:34,100 44 kilos, you can see
593 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,159 all the rest of
594 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,219 the terrorists
595 00:34:37,219 --> 00:34:40,139 and civilians around this state
596 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,000 thousands of them
597 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,420 if you can see someone in my condition
598 00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:46,840 I will give you whatever you want
599 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,380 just mention one in my condition
600 00:34:49,380 --> 00:34:51,620 so
601 00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:53,100 you know
602 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:54,360 it's so hypocrisy
603 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,240 to speak all the time about something like that
604 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,380 what is the Red Cross job
605 00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:00,040 to do
606 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,260 if not in a situation like that
607 00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:05,160 they can be in both sides
608 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,820 I expect them to be
609 00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:09,020 for the Palestinian prisoners
610 00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:10,060 they are terrorists
611 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:11,700 that did
612 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:13,080 lots of bad things
613 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,060 to Israelis
614 00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:15,560 they are in jail in Israel
615 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,920 come to visit them
616 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,860 see their condition
617 00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:19,700 and come to visit me
618 00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,700 I was almost 500 days
619 00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:23,520 and nobody
620 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,560 came to see if I'm okay or not
621 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,740 so
622 00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:31,300 if it was anger
623 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,040 that's fine
624 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,840 it sounds like that you're still
625 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,340 angry and disappointed
626 00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:37,560 of course
627 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,820 the world
628 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:39,920 is
629 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,920 hypocrisy
630 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,920 when it's come to Israel
631 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,340 it's always a double standard
632 00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:47,760 and
633 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,840 it's awful
634 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,940 of course I'm angry about that
635 00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:53,940 I'll always
636 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:55,660 you know
637 00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:57,660 defend my country
638 00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:00,140 our soldiers
639 00:36:00,140 --> 00:36:02,920 and if it's
640 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:03,220 you know
641 00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:04,440 you can see
642 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:05,820 this injustice
643 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:07,840 in the world about us
644 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,980 it's crazy
645 00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:09,680 have you met them?
646 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:10,680 have you met the Red Cross
647 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,920 and talked about this?
648 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,820 well no
649 00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:15,460 except of
650 00:36:15,460 --> 00:36:17,180 February 8
651 00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:18,140 I haven't seen anyone
652 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:19,040 from the Red Cross
653 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,140 and of course
654 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:21,200 I've been in the UN
655 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,460 every place
656 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:24,220 I'm invited to speak
657 00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:25,940 and say my testimony
658 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:28,140 I'm coming and do it
659 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:29,260 in Sweden
660 00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:30,860 like most
661 00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:32,460 western countries
662 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:35,040 during all these days
663 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,600 you were
664 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,760 in the tunnels
665 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,400 there were
666 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,520 not much
667 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,540 expression of
668 00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:42,180 support
669 00:36:42,180 --> 00:36:43,180 on the streets
670 00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:44,080 of Europe
671 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,660 but there were
672 00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:47,800 manifestations
673 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,840 demonstrations
674 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,440 every week
675 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,760 in
676 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,120 Sweden's third
677 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:53,880 largest city
678 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,420 Malmö
679 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:55,700 people were
680 00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:56,700 hundreds of people
681 00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:57,240 who were even
682 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,100 celebrating
683 00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,340 on October 7
684 00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:00,280 crazy
685 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,260 just crazy
686 00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:04,520 I guess you have
687 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,800 when you got free
688 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,040 you have heard about
689 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,360 how
690 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,100 you got a lot of
691 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:11,760 support from
692 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,200 Israel
693 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,180 from the Israeli people
694 00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:16,340 but outside Israel
695 00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:17,700 not so much
696 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,500 what is your feelings?
697 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,780 do you feel
698 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,040 you feel betrayed
699 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,940 by the Red Cross
700 00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:24,660 do you feel betrayed
701 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,440 by the world?
702 00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:27,200 well
703 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,220 I'm not expected much
704 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:30,460 not from the UN
705 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:31,340 not from
706 00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:32,620 UNRWA
707 00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:33,980 not from the Red Cross
708 00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:35,320 I'm not expecting
709 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,980 so much from them
710 00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:38,100 and
711 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:38,480 I'm not expecting
712 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,340 I'm not expecting
713 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,200 anything
714 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,540 it's years by years
715 00:37:41,540 --> 00:37:42,780 these double standards
716 00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:43,820 about Israel
717 00:37:43,820 --> 00:37:46,440 again
718 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,040 you know
719 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,000 people cheering
720 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,580 on October 7
721 00:37:49,580 --> 00:37:50,320 when
722 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,700 my family
723 00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:54,400 my wife
724 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,100 my daughters
725 00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:56,340 that haven't harmed
726 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:57,060 anyone
727 00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,100 and with their
728 00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:58,900 British passport
729 00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:00,160 in their hands
730 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,640 been murdered
731 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:02,360 five minutes
732 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,380 after I was kidnapped
733 00:38:03,380 --> 00:38:04,220 shot
734 00:38:04,220 --> 00:38:05,080 dead
735 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:05,880 in their head
736 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,400 in our house
737 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,100 it's crazy
738 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:10,760 how someone
739 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,280 can cheer
740 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,000 something like that
741 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,440 happened
742 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,140 I never cheered
743 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:14,680 when
744 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,420 innocent people
745 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:17,140 in Gaza
746 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:20,120 been hurt
747 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,060 or wounded
748 00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:23,240 when Israeli
749 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:24,100 are trying
750 00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:24,460 to
751 00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:25,740 to hit
752 00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:26,360 terrorists
753 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,140 in Gaza
754 00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:27,820 that
755 00:38:27,820 --> 00:38:29,360 hiding behind
756 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,300 their own population
757 00:38:30,300 --> 00:38:31,740 but again
758 00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:32,220 when
759 00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:33,260 innocent people
760 00:38:33,260 --> 00:38:33,880 get hurt
761 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,800 it's always
762 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,060 hurting for me
763 00:38:36,060 --> 00:38:37,180 and
764 00:38:37,180 --> 00:38:38,620 so
765 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:38,940 someone
766 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,080 cheering
767 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:40,600 when
768 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,580 hundreds
769 00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:42,960 of
770 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,360 young
771 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,280 kids
772 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,280 have been
773 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:46,980 slaughtered
774 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:47,260 in
775 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:48,280 this
776 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,100 NOVA festival
777 00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:50,620 girls
778 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:51,400 was raped
779 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640 families
780 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,460 been
781 00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:55,540 brutally
782 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:55,940 murdered
783 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:56,340 in their
784 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:56,860 houses
785 00:38:56,860 --> 00:38:58,880 just crazy
786 00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,560 crazy
787 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:00,120 how can you
788 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,300 be
789 00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:00,940 how can you
790 00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:02,220 be a
791 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:03,300 human being
792 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,980 to cheer
793 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:06,000 something like that
794 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,620 that's a good
795 00:39:07,620 --> 00:39:07,980 question
796 00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:08,820 yes
797 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:09,700 I know
798 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:11,920 I know
799 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,860 that you're not
800 00:39:12,860 --> 00:39:14,360 into
801 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,360 politics
802 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,120 you just have
803 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:16,580 your own
804 00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:17,060 opinions
805 00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:17,820 but if
806 00:39:17,820 --> 00:39:18,300 you could
807 00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:18,660 decide
808 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:20,680 what
809 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,660 does
810 00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:22,060 Israel
811 00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:22,640 need
812 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,180 to do
813 00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:24,600 to ensure
814 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,120 that
815 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,440 what happened
816 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,020 on October
817 00:39:27,020 --> 00:39:27,400 7
818 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,420 never happens
819 00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:28,720 again
820 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,340 first of all
821 00:39:30,340 --> 00:39:33,280 the Israeli
822 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:33,820 government
823 00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:34,960 should
824 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,460 investigate
825 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:38,340 you know
826 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:39,080 all the
827 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,080 things
828 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,080 that happened
829 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,080 about
830 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,080 a committee
831 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,080 to investigate
832 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,080 what happened
833 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,080 on October
834 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,080 7
835 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,080 and then
836 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,080 we can
837 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,080 all start
838 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,080 and you
839 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,080 know
840 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,080 to learn
841 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,080 from that
842 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080 and get
843 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080 conclusions
844 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,080 that it
845 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080 will not
846 00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,080 happen in
847 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,080 the future
848 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,080 again
849 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,080 because
850 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,080 something
851 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,080 was wrong
852 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,080 it shouldn't
853 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,080 happen like
854 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:07,080 that
855 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,080 that's not
856 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,080 the result
857 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,080 with all the
858 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,080 abilities
859 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,080 they have
860 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,080 something like
861 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,080 that happened
862 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080 so we need
863 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,080 to investigate
864 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080 that
865 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,080 and I
866 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,080 wish
867 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,080 I wish
868 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,080 we'll not
869 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,080 have
870 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,080 you know
871 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,080 these things
872 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,080 you know
873 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,080 in the future
874 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,080 I wish
875 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,080 we can reach
876 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,080 you know
877 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,080 with peace
878 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,080 agreements
879 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,080 with our
880 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,080 neighbors
881 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,080 and one
882 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,080 day
883 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:36,080 we can
884 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,080 live
885 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,080 without
886 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,080 this
887 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,080 you know
888 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,080 I hope
889 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,080 I hope
890 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,080 I always
891 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,080 hope
892 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,080 I don't know
893 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,080 what I'm
894 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,080 you know
895 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080 if it's
896 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,080 possible
897 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,080 now
898 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,080 I know
899 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,080 it's very
900 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,080 very difficult
901 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,080 and it looks
902 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,080 like
903 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,080 you know
904 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,080 far far
905 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,080 in the future
906 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,080 but I always
907 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080 live in
908 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,080 hope
909 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080 choose
910 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,080 hope
911 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,080 yes
912 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,080 of course
913 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,080 otherwise
914 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,080 live in hope
915 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,080 that we'll
916 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,080 have a better
917 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,080 future
918 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,080 for the
919 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,080 next
920 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,080 generations
921 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,080 I know your
922 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,080 brother
923 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,080 got involved
924 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,080 in politics
925 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,080 in Israel
926 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,080 yes
927 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,080 he's crazy
928 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,080 enough
929 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,080 of course
930 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,080 it's not
931 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,080 something you
932 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,080 consider
933 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,080 no way
934 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080 no way
935 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,080 it's not
936 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,080 for me
937 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,080 I'm happy
938 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,080 with my
939 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,080 life
940 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,080 I just
941 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,080 want
942 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,080 more time
943 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,080 you know
944 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,080 travel around
945 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,080 the world
946 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,080 and
947 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,080 advocating
948 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,080 for the
949 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,080 hostages
950 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,080 and for
951 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,080 Israel
952 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,080 and speaking
953 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,080 about this
954 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,080 book
955 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,080 and make
956 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,080 my promise
957 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,080 to my
958 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,080 wife
959 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,080 and my
960 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,080 daughters
961 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,080 that I
962 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,080 will not
963 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080 let anyone
964 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,080 to forget
965 00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,080 them
966 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,080 but I
967 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,080 need a
968 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,080 rest
969 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,080 I need
970 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,080 to come
971 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,080 back
972 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,080 and be
973 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,080 great
974 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,080 especially
975 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,080 not to work
976 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,080 in politics
977 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,080 as you
978 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,080 said
979 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,080 since you
980 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,080 were freed
981 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,080 you've
982 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,080 been
983 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,080 on the
984 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,080 constant
985 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,080 on tour
986 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,080 almost
987 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,080 in some
988 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,080 way
989 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,080 you can
990 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,080 say
991 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,080 that
992 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,080 you left
993 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,080 the
994 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,080 tunnels
995 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,080 but you
996 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,080 have
997 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,080 stayed
998 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,080 there
999 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,080 I can't
1000 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,080 say
1001 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,080 that my
1002 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,080 family
1003 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,080 is
1004 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,080 better
1005 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,080 for
1006 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,080 bringing
1007 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,080 back
1008 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,080 my
1009 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,080 brother's
1010 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,080 body
1011 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,080 from
1012 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,080 Gaza
1013 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,080 it was
1014 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,080 automatically
1015 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,080 without
1016 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,080 you know
1017 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080 no
1018 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,080 question
1019 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,080 about
1020 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,080 that
1021 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,080 and
1022 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,080 I left
1023 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,080 a friend
1024 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,080 alone
1025 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,080 on the
1026 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,080 you know
1027 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080 50
1028 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,080 meters
1029 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,080 underground
1030 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,080 and I
1031 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,080 try not
1032 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,080 to leave
1033 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,080 them
1034 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,080 until the
1035 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,080 last minute
1036 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,080 he came
1037 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,080 back
1038 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,080 so it's
1039 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,080 something
1040 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,080 that you
1041 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,080 know
1042 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,080 these
1043 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,080 values
1044 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,080 I was
1045 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,080 raised
1046 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,080 from
1047 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,080 you know
1048 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,080 by my
1049 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080 parents
1050 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080 and we
1051 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,080 raised
1052 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,080 with these
1053 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,080 values
1054 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,080 as a
1055 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,080 family
1056 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,080 and
1057 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,080 you
1058 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,080 learn
1059 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:33,080 these
1060 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,080 values
1061 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,080 and
1062 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,080 that
1063 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,080 was my
1064 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,080 mission
1065 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,080 and
1066 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,080 I've
1067 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,080 tried to
1068 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:42,080 do everything
1069 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,080 I could
1070 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,080 to do
1071 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,080 it
1072 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,080 are
1073 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,080 you
1074 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,080 worried
1075 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,080 of
1076 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,080 going
1077 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,080 back
1078 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,080 to
1079 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,080 a
1080 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,080 normal
1081 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,080 life
1082 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,080 no
1083 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,080 no
1084 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,080 I love
1085 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,080 normal
1086 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,080 life
1087 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,080 I want
1088 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,080 normal
1089 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,080 life
1090 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,080 me
1091 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,080 speaking
1092 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,080 about
1093 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,080 my loss
1094 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,080 my captivity
1095 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,080 time
1096 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,080 October
1097 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,080 7
1098 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,080 nonstop
1099 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,080 really
1100 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,080 nonstop
1101 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:15,080 it's
1102 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,080 probably
1103 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,080 one of
1104 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,080 the reasons
1105 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,080 I don't
1106 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,080 have any
1107 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,080 PTSD
1108 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,080 so
1109 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,080 I'm fine
1110 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,080 I don't
1111 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,080 have any
1112 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,080 nightmares
1113 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,080 I'm very
1114 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,080 strong
1115 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,080 man
1116 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,080 I'm
1117 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,080 capable
1118 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,080 to rebuild
1119 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,080 my life
1120 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,080 in
1121 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,080 an
1122 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,080 ordinary
1123 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080 day
1124 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,080 in
1125 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080 two years
1126 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,080 okay
1127 00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,080 what
1128 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,080 what do you
1129 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,080 hope for
1130 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,080 wow
1131 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,080 me
1132 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,080 on the
1133 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,080 beach
1134 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,080 in
1135 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,080 Thailand
1136 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,080 scuba
1137 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,080 diving
1138 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,080 do
1139 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,080 it
1140 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,080 for
1141 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,080 my
1142 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,080 youngest
1143 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,080 daughter
1144 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,080 that
1145 00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,080 she
1146 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,080 really
1147 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,080 really
1148 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,080 promised
1149 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,080 her
1150 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,080 it's
1151 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,080 um
1152 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,080 it's
1153 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,080 you know
1154 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,080 two things
1155 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,080 for the
1156 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,080 memory of
1157 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,080 my family
1158 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,080 I'm
1159 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,080 trying to
1160 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,080 do it
1161 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,080 every day
1162 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,080 we are
1163 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,080 rebuilding
1164 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,080 a new
1165 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,080 center
1166 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,080 in Israel
1167 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,080 for kids
1168 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,080 with special
1169 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,080 needs
1170 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,080 that's
1171 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,080 what my
1172 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,080 oldest
1173 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,080 daughter
1174 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,080 did
1175 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,080 volunteered
1176 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,080 with these
1177 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,080 kids
1178 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:32,080 with special
1179 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,080 needs
1180 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,080 and you
1181 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,080 know
1182 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,080 and
1183 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,080 their
1184 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,080 memory
1185 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080 will be
1186 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,080 alongside
1187 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,080 of my
1188 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080 life
1189 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,080 all
1190 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:44,080 my
1191 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,080 life
1192 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,080 all
1193 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080 my
1194 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,080 life
1195 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,080 until
1196 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080 the
1197 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,080 rest
1198 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,080 of
1199 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,080 my
1200 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,080 day
1201 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,080 um
1202 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,080 and
1203 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,080 um
1204 00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,080 and
1205 00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,080 uh
1206 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,080 you
1207 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,080 know
1208 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,080 um
1209 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,080 I'm
1210 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,080 sitting
1211 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,080 here
1212 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,080 with
1213 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,080 my
1214 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,080 mother
1215 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,080 and
1216 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,080 my
1217 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,080 one
1218 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,080 of
1219 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,080 my
1220 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,480 brother
1221 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,280 thank you
1222 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,280 thank you
1223 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,000 for having
1224 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:20,440 me
1225 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,440 thank you
1226 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,960 thank you
1227 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,920 for having
1228 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,720 me
1229 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:27,560 um
1230 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,240 a
1231 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:28,440 a
1232 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,080 I
1233 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,440 think
1234 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:29,640 that
1235 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:29,840 I
1236 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,400 hope
1237 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:30,600 that
1238 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:30,920 happens
1239 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:31,040 and
1240 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,140 Jesper Sandström. Ansvarig utgivare
1241 00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:34,300 Lisa Irenus.
1242 00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:37,100 Jag heter Peter Wendblad.
1243 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:37,980 Tack för idag.
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